EC: One of the things I heard you say [is that] sometimes it can feel existential for people with privilege to be handcuffed. It can feel like an existential threat to be pepper-sprayed, and that's a misunderstanding of the situation. It is not existential. There's a much greater existential harm to other people.
RC: Yeah, I think a lot of white people need to grow the fuck up. Like, frankly, I think that we need to be serious. If we're honest with ourselves, we'd say, "You know what, I'm not willing to bear the risk that I get pepper-sprayed as my neighbors are being disappeared to work camps." Then say that. But don't say [that] this is now comparatively unsafe for me. Don't hide behind the tragic but incredibly infrequent instances where the state murders white people, when they murder non-white people constantly and that's just accepted as normal.
Written on January 27, 2026